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Mr Maxwell stands down as IPDSC President


onyourtoes Joined on 12 Φεβ 2007 Total posts: 657	Re: Mr Maxwell stands down as IPDSC President Παρασκευή, 28 Αυγούστου 2009 8:57 πμ manrico Are you part of the IDJTA? Do you know what they do? You don't need to respond to this, it is simply meant to stimulate your brain and in some cases discredit your previous statement. ---- Manrico your post seems to be aimed at a number of the contributions made by various members. So far as I am involved. No I am not a member of the IDJTA and I do not know anyone who is. Many of those whose names were involved back when it was first muted are furious at the formation of IPDSC. I know what it was supposed to do but I do not see it happening. Please can you give us a link to their website. Even the IDSF have stopped mentioning them since a Press Release in March 2006. You were a supporter of FIDS using children in their bitter personal feud against Blackpool so please forgive me if I suggest you have brought discredit to yourself and it is a shame you did not stimulate your brain and really think through using children which is against all international conventions. You clearly are a supporter of the "Italian " Professional Dance Sport Council Please do try to discredit if you feel that constructive but in the meantime I can see you are easily impressed by titles and money. In terms of world "Royal Family" pecking order this one is indeed obscure. While socialites and aspiring socialites are easily impressed in reality their relevance to DanceSport is hardly leading to major benefits for the huge majority of the dance fraternity. I can assure you that my brain constantly stimulated always searches and seeks the facts rather than the glib accepting of words. What having degrees etc have to do with being a dance champion and having an effect on the development of dancesport I am still trying to work out.
dancer 007 Joined on 12 Απρ 2007 Total posts: 83	Re: Mr Maxwell stands down as IPDSC President Παρασκευή, 28 Αυγούστου 2009 11:10 πμ manrico Aside from the press statement everything else is just heresay. And I don't see how this poor man's health problems have anything to do with the WDC "winning"...Winning what? The royal family of Monaco is hardly unknown...together with some help from Spanish and Danish family they founded the Federal Bank of the USA, and to this day own a large proportion. Plus all the major influential organisations in the world are based in Monaco. Are you part of the IDJTA? Do you know what they do? What exactly is wrong with following commercial opportunities at a leisurely pace? The IDSF Grand Slam series seems pretty successful...Could Peter have helped with it's development? Would there be anything particularly wrong with stepping down when you feel you've helped enough? Could that possibly be a reality for another fabulous dancer who won 14 world titles (this is not intended ironically. He was a fabuolous dancer, but as far as I know he doesn't have a degree in political science or previous experience in managing international organisations)? You don't need to respond to this, it is simply meant to stimulate your brain and in some cases discredit your previous statement. Have a good day. --Manrico--- I do not compete nor am involved, but I do do diligence and would attempt to answer as best I can.- My understanding is that Burns studied International Law. Is a Director of several companies in the U.K. and abroad. Has honorary Degrees in two Universities, and helped to set up three( to my research at least) now successful International Businesses. There is no doubt that IDSF President Freitag declared " I want to see IPDSC become bigger and better than WDC within one year". Well, then it is I believe inevitable given this term of reference that almost all will conclude that "WDC have won" when after that time IPDSC have less couples , lower standard, less events , and two key figures go in one month. Again my diligence shows that they even have much less of all than they themselves had last year ! (From my calculations about 56% minus). Moreover their website was down for two weeks while not renewed. Lastly, on the subject of "Royal connections", Burns was honoured by H.M. Queen Elizabeth 2nd and, if I believe the research (IF...) is still a regular visitor and may be a teacher to the Royals. The IDSF Grand Slam has, I believe *not succeeded.*
Geronimo Joined on 20 Μαϊ 2007 Total posts: 101	Re: Mr Maxwell stands down as IPDSC President Πέμπτη, 3 Σεπτεμβρίου 2009 12:56 μμ A couple of things spring to mind with this and other information. Two persons left the IPDSC (well, many more as a matter of fact), but two persons in important seats. My information is that IDSF wants the IPDSC to dissolve at the end of the year. Finally a wise decision! The failing of IPDSC to become the leading professional organisation could be a good lesson for IDSF. Whatever the reasons, the professionals do prefer the WDC and every dancer who pursues a complete career wants to finally and ultimately be World Champion within the WDC. That, in the light of the open market strategy of the WDC, NOT using bans or punishing to keep the competitors under control and within, but allowing free choice, should convince even the blind that WDC is given authority by the dancers themselves. And authority is not something you can claim, it is given, or not given. WDC is given the authority by the professional dancers without any form of pressure. This cannot be said of IPDSC or IDSF. They claim authority; they claim to be the superior organisation, and not even because of what they are, but because of the Olympic Recognition! Deriving their superiority from a third, external organisation and confuse this with authority! That attitude is built on use of power, not on authority. And power used will wair off. And what do we see? More and more amateurs discover that there is a world next to IDSF and leave this organisation or at least challange her authority over their careers. Mind you, many would like to give IDSF authority over amateur-dancing! But in the current situation, where IDSF is demanding it, abusing rules and persons alike, they do not deserve it in the eyes of a large majority. In the current situation IDSF could take a major step and solve the unwanted predicement they brought to the danceworld as a whole: 1. Dissolve IPDSC 2. Make an agreement with WDC, dividing clearly professional and amateur interests. 3. Work together to unite ther dancing 4. Put an end to banning and punsihing and the abuse of powers by national bodies. That would not be too difficult would it? This moment is an opportunity in time of limited length. If IDSF would decide to still ignore WDC and built up an inside professional organisation, this opportunity is lost for a long time. Just stop the train at the nearest station and meet with WDC. As far as I know there is still an open invitation from WDC to talk! It would put a stop to doing everything twice or even more times. It would put a stop to involving competitors in a political argument. It would mean taking responsibility for the dancing and the poor couples involved in it. What would be the loss??? Kindest regards, Geronimo
sambatogo Joined on 29 Αυγ 2007 Total posts: 280	Re: Mr Maxwell stands down as IPDSC President Πέμπτη, 3 Σεπτεμβρίου 2009 5:01 μμ Geronimo, Sambatogo thinks that you have summed up the whole situation very well! And given a real direction for possitive change within the IDSF. Lets hope the IDSF reads this, and takes up the opportunity for a better future for all.
onyourtoes Joined on 12 Φεβ 2007 Total posts: 657	Re: Mr Maxwell stands down as IPDSC President Παρασκευή, 4 Σεπτεμβρίου 2009 10:57 πμ Geronimo Thank you. Brilliant. So clear. If you information is correct and we witness the demise of IPDSC those who unwisely followed the Italians flag will now have to decide if they totally surrender to Amateur control, which was always the IDSF aim or if they return to the legitimate Professional body and united work for a better DanceSport world., exactly as you set out.
latin_nina Joined on 13 Φεβ 2009 Total posts: 19	Re: Mr Maxwell stands down as IPDSC President Παρασκευή, 4 Σεπτεμβρίου 2009 1:42 μμ It will be even more interesting to see what happens to Amateur and Professional categories, and how the two will interact one with the other under IDSF . The two labels are obviously an obstacle and in the way towards the Olympic dream nina
spectator100 Joined on 07 Ιαν 2009 Total posts: 32	Re: Mr Maxwell stands down as IPDSC President Παρασκευή, 4 Σεπτεμβρίου 2009 1:52 μμ latin_nina It will be even more interesting to see what happens to Amateur and Professional categories, and how the two will interact one with the other under IDSF . nina ---- The true professional will never submit to being "under" IDSF. Work with IDSF certainly. IDSF taking care of Amateurs affairs and WDC oversseing Professionals exactly as Geronimo proposed. No one should be "under" anyone else.
latin_nina Joined on 13 Φεβ 2009 Total posts: 19	Re: Mr Maxwell stands down as IPDSC President Παρασκευή, 4 Σεπτεμβρίου 2009 2:47 μμ You chose to miss the point. Forget about the term "under" replace it with : belong , which is also weak as you may suggest no one belongs to IDSF, Professionals or Amateurs. So how do I express the idea to please a sensitive reader ? How will IDSF deal with ex- IPDSC competitors ( once IPDSC dissolves ) if they should choose to remain be associated with IDSF with no intention joining WDC OR ANOTHER organization ? What if they wish remain loyal to IDSF but wish participate in WDC events..? I believe IDSF would rather avoid the labels Professional and Amateurs and would prefer having just dancesport Athletes ( I'd try "Full time Dancesport Athletes" , and "Hobby/ Part time" Dancesport Athlete )
openeyes Joined on 07 Ιαν 2009 Total posts: 28	Re: Mr Maxwell stands down as IPDSC President Παρασκευή, 4 Σεπτεμβρίου 2009 4:50 μμ latin_nina You chose to miss the point. So how do I express the idea to please a sensitive reader ? ---- latin_nina on my reading of the topic I do not see anyone "choosing" to "miss the point" and the sensitive reader I would say is yourself. We all have our own point of view and express what we believe. With regard to your conjecture the answer is already there in certain areas. How will IDSF treat IPDSC competitors? They will welcome them back with open arms. Those that choose to take a backward step that is. If competitors wish to dance WDC events then they must register with WDC. However once they have registered, under the WDC Open Market Policy they are free to compete where they choose. By electing to dance WDC events then you cannot desribe smeone as being "loyal to IDSF". Geronimo explained this carefully. WDC can depend on the loyalty of their members and have no need for bans. IDSF on the other hand are so afraid that they choose to threaten and intimidate and IDSF is more like a prison. Someone who dances as a Professional one event and then returns to dance Amateur the following week will not really hold much respect from the true Professional. If you remember several years ago IDSF introduced a policy no Professionals and no Amateurs only "athletes". They introduced the "Grand Slams" (which are not truly Grand Slams as in other sports) in the hope that Professionals would dance in their events which had attractive prize money. The reputable Professional loyal to WDC chose not to take their career backwards. They saw no glory in winning against lower grade dancers. Then there was a U turn by IDSF and suddenly now IDSF was Amateur and IPDSC was Professional. However that can quickly change again . With IDSF the policy in January need not be the policy in June and that need not be the policy in December. The statutes of some IDSF member countries specifically state only Amateurs may be members so that could make a problem too.
latin_nina Joined on 13 Φεβ 2009 Total posts: 19	Re: Mr Maxwell stands down as IPDSC President Παρασκευή, 4 Σεπτεμβρίου 2009 5:16 μμ