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Re: OLYMPICS WANT "THE BEST"


openeyes Joined on 07 Ιαν 2009 Total posts: 28	Re: OLYMPICS WANT "THE BEST" Σάββατο, 29 Αυγούστου 2009 8:15 πμ 1. "The message is clear," International Olympic Committee president Jacques Rogge said. "The IOC wants clean sport, the best athletes and universality." 2. "We have [Roger] Federer, [Rafael] Nadal in tennis, LeBron James in basketball," Rogge told MLB.com. "We have the best cyclists. Ronaldinho is here in football". "We want these guys at the Games" 3. "My dream is for all the stars of football to be at the Olympics, because in all other sports the best are there," Rogge was quoted as saying. http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKL0925777320080309 http://www.usatoday.com/sports/olympics/2005-07-09-ioc-bball_x.htm http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/summer08/baseball/news/story?id=3549860 Three different times when the IOC President says he wants "the Best" so why then are IOC dealing with the IDSF? There is no doubt that the best dancers are part of the World Dance Council (WDC). Over and over the IDSF bang their Olympic Drum and some people believe their stance. Say anything often enough and people believe. But when will IDSF stand up and publicly admit that the best DanceSport athletes are not a part of their Federation. Their have been countless IDSF Press Releases since 1997 about when DanceSport will be a medal sport. First it was to be 2004, then 2008 then 2012 would definitely be the one. The latest "dream date" 2020. How much longer will the gullible be duped. Time after time we read how the IDSF contract with IMG was going to bring about success but that came to nothing and the contract was cancelled by mutual agreement. If the words of the IOC President are to be believed then DanceSport has no chance without "the best" and that is WDC and their athletes. Th WDC should seize the opportunity and invite President Rogge to the WDC World Latin at Blackpool. Let him see the best in the most famous competitive venue in the world.
jazz Joined on 07 Απρ 2005 Total posts: 444	Re: OLYMPICS WANT "THE BEST" Σάββατο, 29 Αυγούστου 2009 2:59 μμ Why waste WDC and Mr. Rogge`s time, why upset WDC members by trying to take over the IDSF vision and impose onto WDC the IOC requirements such as drug testing and all the regulatory formalities. Would WDC want to do the same to their members , which IDSF has been trying to do onto their members to much dissatisaction, inconvenience , additional costs and own demise ... Dancesport is and will reamin a niche activity which will never attract the masses which Olympic Games require. There are just too many other sports which will take a priority. Why would WDC want to diversify and embrace all 40+ dancesport disciplines so that all dances are united under the same flag..... so that 20 years from now our grandchildren can possibly see dancesport in the Olympics - and which type of dancesport would it be ....Hip Hop or Ballroom ... Also there is no guarantee that in 20 years or so the best dancers will belong to WDC, there may be a different organization with one or two dancesport `Nadals`of their own...... Forget the Olympics, promote freedom, harmony, make dancesport more affordable, increase participation, promote and increase interest in dancesport, attract advertisers, sponsors, reward greatness with some decent moneys to attract more dancers. Just compare the purse of a local Tennis Champion with the purse of the Blackpool Winners ....how can you expect the kids and their parents to get hooked on dancesport if the only reward is that the kid may teach one day a lonely widow, a divorced manéwomen, possibly some hopeful competitors, who would after a few weeks leave them anyway to take even more expensive (perceived as far better ) private lessons from a better known ( famous) dancesport gurus.
wooden_spoon Joined on 06 Αυγ 2009 Total posts: 2	Re: OLYMPICS WANT "THE BEST" Κυριακή, 30 Αυγούστου 2009 12:25 πμ Well "jazz", that's about the BEST post I've seen in "long" time. AMEN to everything you've said. The sooner all these hopefuls accept that this niche activity will never be at the Games... the sooner we can all get on with your 2nd to last paragraph and start making things "better".
openeyes Joined on 07 Ιαν 2009 Total posts: 28	Re: OLYMPICS WANT "THE BEST" Κυριακή, 30 Αυγούστου 2009 7:15 πμ jazz unfortunately you have either posted in the wrong topic or missed the point of this topic. We are not dealing with the ins and outs of the Olympics or whether it is desirable or such issues. There are a few other topics where this is being debated. Here the topic is dealing with the here and now. The IOC President is saying over and over they want THE BEST they want the Professionals. If that is true here and now then why are they involved with IDSF and the Amateurs who here and now do not represent the best. IDSF are exploiting their IOC recognition and dancesport suffers as a result. Admirable as your sentiments are it is the Olympics which drive the IDSF to proclaim themselves Wolrld Masters.How we ask when the Olympics want THE BEST and that is WDC. Just as an extra. You might want to know that any new sports for the 2020 Olympics MUST be decided by 2013 . You are right anything can happen before 2013 but on the current evidence the WDC will be stronger.
jazz Joined on 07 Απρ 2005 Total posts: 444	Re: OLYMPICS WANT "THE BEST" Κυριακή, 30 Αυγούστου 2009 3:05 μμ Thank you wooden_spoon, for a new contributor you are very observant, show good taste, and yourself made commendable and quite informed observations and comments. Jazz's, even better comments are often changed, edited or deleted, especially when they are made in places of excessive censorship in a private member box. It is a shame - no, not the deletion. The censorship. It appears the number of contributors who are concerned with the IDSF's method of leadership, the direction of IDSF train direction is growing. What troubles Jazz is that the number of these concerned contributors appears to be growing. Reading their past posts they either had been, have been, or are IDSF and long term supporters.... Their concerns probably mirror opinions of their dance friends and that of hundreds of dancesport enthusiasts ( who do not read here and do not contribute) , those who value, seek and are willing to pay admissions to see quality Ballroom, free of (excessive) politics, who may feel the inclusion of alternative dances - hip hop etc. is NOT what they paid for and came to see. Jazz appreciates the kind Openeyes' reminder, and suggests that the essence of Openeyes' Olympics Want "The Best" topic has been pointed out by many others. When noted, at first, Jazz asked herself : Where have I seen this before ? If the topic redundant, or an off beat of another, may be confusing, and please do not be surprised if you get comments missing the heart of your Here and Now. Jazz agrees with your comments, not minding it had been already suggested elsewhere. IDSF had tried to find own identity through the perceived "ownership" of the term dancesport ( which has backfired as dancesport is in public domain and includes , unfortunately for IDSF ALL dance styles ) , distinguish themselves by their "dancesport" being recognized by IOC ( as long as IDSF abides by all IOC's Rules ), and then , when made aware they would have to include the Professionals, they created IPDSC, which has unfortunately / fortunately NOT attracted the best dancers - the very requirement of IOC, and the focus of your topic... hence, IDSF has failed, resorting to some off beat copies of Olympiad, whether in name ( Olympiad in Spain ) or in frequency ( and name ) , and using 'athletes' ignoring the amateur and professional status, ( every 4 years ) as in the 2009 World Games. If only everyone could get of their high horse, bury the old hostility, show little modesty and appreciation for the ever so patient and loyal dancers who still support them - if for no other reason than that they want to continue to do what they love, and do not want to make too many waves in fear of reprisals. Time for a new direction, time for more harmony, time for Ballroom to prosper, enough of posturing and proclaiming superiority on account of others. Dances want WIN, WIN scenario, and so should those who exist, live, because the dancers and dance lovers support them.
diamondgal Joined on 05 Ιαν 2009 Total posts: 31	Re: OLYMPICS WANT "THE BEST" Κυριακή, 30 Αυγούστου 2009 5:11 μμ openeyes you are absolutely right. If the IOC want the BEST what are they doing toying with the IDSF The BEST means WDC. No other words needed.
goldfinger Joined on 13 Μαρ 2009 Total posts: 16	Re: OLYMPICS WANT "THE BEST" Δευτέρα, 31 Αυγούστου 2009 1:18 πμ diamondgal If the IOC want the BEST what are they doing toying with the IDSF ? ---- IOC has specific requirements which must be met. IOC is not toying with anyone, IOC is obliged to communicate with any sport applicant who meets IOC specific recognition criteria and "dancesport " and IDSF sort of fits HOWEVER not quite. IOC was unfairly accused of manipulating dancesport. IOC does not care. Just because IOC President for life is photographed with Carlos does not mean IOC is in bed with IDSF. If dancesport meets IOC criteria, where dancesport is represented by one authority, IDSF, if that authority and an applicant to IOC can figure out how to meet all IOC prerequisites they have a slim chance, and must line up for consideration, and as already pointed out they have a very slim, or no chance. Curently WDC has (as their members) the best Ballroom dancers in their Professional division, HOWEVER, WDC has not shown interest in meeting IOC criteria, have not embraced all the 40-50 "dancesport " disciplines, praise the Lord, and so far do not chase after their Champions with a urine cup, and sue them if the urine contains a secret and prohibited substance in some Coca Cola soft drink, and organize and take care of a sport of Ballroom but and cannot, and probably could not care less to be recognized by IOC. IDSF needs to admit their vision is unrealistic, bury the hatchets and provide superior service to their members and hope thy will soon forget the injustice which is taking place at the moment.
diamondgal Joined on 05 Ιαν 2009 Total posts: 31	Re: OLYMPICS WANT "THE BEST" Δευτέρα, 31 Αυγούστου 2009 5:03 μμ goldfinger IOC is not toying with anyone, IOC was unfairly accused of manipulating dancesport. IDSF needs to admit their vision is unrealistic, bury the hatchets . ---- I am sorry goldfinger that I must disagree with you but that is OK because we are all entitled to our own view. My conviction that IOC "toy" with IDSF is based on IOC playing the carrot and the stick game. IOC say IF : if you change the judging system then........................if you change the presentation then.......................if you create your one world Federation then................... IOC know that dancesport will never get the support of the other sports to become a medal sport. The accusations of "manipulation" are fully justified I believe. The examples above are part of it. Then encouraging IDSF to believe that IDSF is the international federation governing all aspects of DanceSport worldwide is another. IDSF are responsible for the majority of Amateur competitors and only in the Olympic world. The IOC has neither the power or authority to manipulate who controls dancesport worldwide. The question is not if WDC want it. The IOC President says the Olympics want THE BEST. The question is therefore how long will it take IDSF to inform IOC that they cannot deliver the BEST. I do agree that IDSF must face up to their vision being unrealistic, bury the hatchet and get back to working with the WDC for the good of dancesport.
goldfinger Joined on 13 Μαρ 2009 Total posts: 16	Re: OLYMPICS WANT "THE BEST" Δευτέρα, 31 Αυγούστου 2009 8:44 μμ Diamondgal, to agree on 1 out of three is a success in this Forum. I view your example of "the carrot and the stick game", as a good service of providing helpful advice, direction , a blueprint to reaching a goal. It is up IOC to provide service and information , it is up to the Applicant to assess its resources, ability to meet the strict requirements and to decide whether it is worth their while to bang their heads against the wall. ( Just because an Educator advises parents that the prerequisite to becoming a brain surgeon one day for their kid is first having the capacity to learn and understand , study hard, get great marks in public, secondary schools, excellent marks in sciences at a recognized University, successfully applying and studying Medicine, obtaining top marks, applying for and qualifying for specialized neuroanatomy training, getting a job as a Resident and later as a Brain Surgeon Specialist - does not mean the Educator is playing carrot and the stick game. The Educator is simply saying that IF the kid meets all what is required, they increase their chance of reaching the goal. It is up to the kid and the parent to decide if they are prepared to meet what is required. It is not up to the educator to predict what the parent's kids can or cannot do. It is not up to IOC to tell a duck that it will never become an eagle. It is up to a duck to flip the wings and figure out the best way to soar like an eagle and meat the specifications of an eagle, and IOC should not be criticized for suggesting to a duck that it would be considered as an eagle IF it soared as an eagle, IF it had talons like an eagle, IF it had a beak as an eagle, if it looked more like an eagle. ) But too much talk, too long examples, starting to sound like those I criticize of overkill. It does not matter. IDSF knows what they need to know, they have a few very competent people who must know this is an uphill battle and would prefer to find a dignified way out. This Olympic dream is just what it says, a dream, a mirage. Unrealistic, unatteinable. Lets move on.
diamondgal Joined on 05 Ιαν 2009 Total posts: 31	Re: OLYMPICS WANT "THE BEST" Τρίτη, 1 Σεπτεμβρίου 2009 9:35 πμ goldfinger I view your example of "the carrot and the stick game", as a good service of providing helpful advice, direction , a blueprint to reaching a goal. It does ---- goldfinger "good service a blueprint to reaching a goal"l! IOC know that the other sports will never allow dancesport to be a medal sport and therefore IOC is interfering, meddling and manipulating since the "goal" is unobtainable. Sure there are those in IDSF who get an ego massage as they go off to their IOC meetings which does nothing for the dancers but so long as they can be fooled then the game and the toying goes on. The question however is - When will IDSF tell IOC they cannot deliver "The Best".