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Re: IDSF propose new scoring system to satisfy IOC


Geronimo Joined on 20 Μαϊ 2007 Total posts: 101	Re: IDSF propose new scoring system to satisfy IOC Σάββατο, 5 Σεπτεμβρίου 2009 5:21 μμ This is just another clear example of the way IDSF is working on a day to day basis: Not asking the dancers, the judges, the experts or anyone else involved what they think about the idea. Just follow (or say so) the demands of an outsider, the IOC. What to think of the consequences for dancing?? Well, IDSF probably couldn't care less (or worse, hasn't even considered this issue). Dancing is a sport and must be deformed to live up to that. Regardless of a growing majority of dancers that feel quite different! Fortunately there are nowadays organised alternatives like the WDC Amateur League and such, where our wonderful form of dancing is preserved and cared for. Fortunately the professionals, the best dancers in the world, out of free will and not by major force, remain to see the value of the "dinosaur" WDC, where dancing is preserved. Dancing has developped to what it is through the stable and continuous system used in competition. Nothing more dangerous for this development than change it dramaticly. The least to do before implementing such an idea is to investigate the consequences and councel the peers in dancing. And where are our peers in dancing?? YES, in the WDC!! They were never asked of course, because the train had left the station! And if you are not in that glorious train................ Next to that it would be interesting to find out if there is enough support on ground-level: ask the competitors. They were not asked, because they are never asked anything in the first place. So where does this idea come from? Who asked for it? Obviously nobody in our danceworld of any importance or real involvement. IDSF seems to be less and less related to what a dancer wants and needs. Isn't it time to say goodbye to them and leave IDSF to be part of IOC and dream on and on and on. Without any dancer at all. That would be really funny, wouldn't it. An organisation without any dancers, representing us! Instead of an organisation with many dancers, not representing us! Geronimo
openeyes Joined on 07 Ιαν 2009 Total posts: 28	Re: IDSF propose new scoring system to satisfy IOC Σάββατο, 5 Σεπτεμβρίου 2009 5:48 μμ latin_nina True. The computer, long distance, short circuit video judging from far away, even by expert like Marcus Hilton, had been proposed ---- Please may I clarify I was not suggesting Experts judging long distance by Video. I was rather facetiously suggesting a computer imageg be generated of the supposed "perfect" couple and the unemotional, uninvolved computer marks the dancers against its "perfect couple". Have people and you have subjective and that is good for all. Dance is made up of many elements and it is good that not every judge considers the same quality in the same order. We are getting an all round opinion. Of course you need people with deep knowledge and experience and here too WDC has "the best". latin_nina if you think about between 10 and 14 couples per event even if the promoter only offered 4 different events you have around a 9 hour boring day. Doubtful if promoters (or audience) would be interested and financially pretty much of a disaster. Even the most devoted parent would have a problem coping with this. One of the great advantages of the current system is that adjudicators can make a direct comparison, This so very necessary element would be missing under the absurd proposal. The non dancers who like the power but have no understanding of the needs and wishes of the competitors and adjudicators once again think they know best. They really so love trotting off to their "God Olympic " meetings feeling oh so important! Comical. All this chasing a nightmare and one that only comes around every 4 years. What was that saying? Oh yes, "those the Gods wish to destroy they first make mad" and surely we see madness in this farcical proposal.
think of me Joined on 05 Αυγ 2005 Total posts: 288	Re: IDSF propose new scoring system to satisfy IOC Σάββατο, 5 Σεπτεμβρίου 2009 10:19 μμ Could someone please inform us, the readers, where and to whom the official proposal was allegedly made by IDSF ? If the suggested solos were just a proposal, were the recipients of the proposal in favour ? I'd be more concern with the reaction/response of the IDSF audience whom the message was aimed at. Proposals by themselves, are just that, proposals, and we all know there is a fundamental problem with adjudicating dancesport, fairness being questioned in many forums, skating system hailed not perfect but better than ??? I do not dispute the existence and the suggested reason for the proposal, however there were many threads in the past elaborating on an outrageous elaboration which was not even factual. At present IDSF specifies the two solo dances performed by the finalists, which enables a closer examination, comparison and a scrutiny by the judges. Would the suggested solos from S/F on be done in a combination with the group dance, or would the solos be IT ? Meaning 12-13 solos in W, 12-13 Solos in T,.....F.VW, QS...same for the Latin ? Followed and repeated by 6-8 solos by half of the already examined field ? Would the athletes awaiting their turn be prepared to wait 20-50 minutes, as someone suggested, to dance the next dance. IF the dancers were mixed up and their names called in random order, the time separation could be Minimum (2 mins X 12 couples ) = 24 minutes, Maximum 2 mins X ( 12 +12 ) = 48 minutes between W and T , T and VW..F and QS , if the changes progressed smoothly and without delays. I am certain some dancers would have to be paged, and their names called many times as they could not possibly be expected to stand by the dance-floor - if only not to upset the view of the paying audience, who came to see the "solos" NOT the backs of dancers who are exercising and stretching at the periphery to keep "warm" If I am repeating another poster's accounting and math I apologize, please take it as 'stressing your point as very important' , not as a theft of an original idea.
onyourtoes Joined on 12 Φεβ 2007 Total posts: 656	Re: IDSF propose new scoring system to satisfy IOC Κυριακή, 6 Σεπτεμβρίου 2009 4:16 πμ think of me Could someone please inform us, the readers, where and to whom the official proposal was allegedly made by IDSF ? I do not dispute the existence and the suggested reason for the proposal, however there were many threads in the past elaborating on an outrageous elaboration which was not even factual. ---- Following the German Open there was a demonstration (to which IDSF Amateur and Professional bodies were invited) of the proposed "new" judging system that has been under development for so very long. The system, which proposes each couple performing each dance solo from semi onwards, it seems was not well received. It is proposed also that scoring would be similar to ice-dance with technical marks for certain figures, deductions for mistakes etc. It is bizarre the attempts are made to link ice skating and ballroom and Latin dancing and particularly when the ice skating judging system is still criticised. Also way too complicated and suggesting judges are not to be trusted. Illogical to my thinking that you get opinions AFTER rather than before or during. Seems an enormous waste of time and effort. I hasten to add I was not present and my words are based on the views of those who were. Not sure about your words about "outrageous elaboration" which was "not factual" unless you mean the mountain of misinformation from IDSF. This included the IDSF President telling us about the wonderful "new method" which would be introduced from I believe September 2007!!To doubt the veracity and facts on the basis that individually one does not know about it is not wise. That is why so many come to dancesportinfo to learn what is happnig.
Shell Joined on 22 Μαϊ 2007 Total posts: 17	Re: IDSF propose new scoring system to satisfy IOC Κυριακή, 6 Σεπτεμβρίου 2009 6:04 μμ There is a newsflash on the EADA website as the EADA President was in attendance. There were many representatives from Am & Pro organisations at the presentation, representing many different countries. It is my understanding that there were numerous concerns raised and the proposal is being reviewed.
onyourtoes Joined on 12 Φεβ 2007 Total posts: 656	Re: IDSF propose new scoring system to satisfy IOC Τρίτη, 15 Σεπτεμβρίου 2009 5:41 πμ http://www.idsf.net/index.tpl?style=news&action=newsItem&id=105
propro Joined on 05 Ιαν 2009 Total posts: 71	Re: IDSF propose new scoring system to satisfy IOC Τετάρτη, 16 Σεπτεμβρίου 2009 1:59 μμ Seems to me this is raising "subjective opinion" to an art form!! This is supposed to make the IOC happy?